Obama's Persian Tutorial
President Barack Obama did not "lose" Iran. This is not a Jimmy Carter moment. But the foreign-policy education of America's 44th president has just begun. Hitherto, he had been cavalier about other lands, he had trusted in his own biography as a bridge to distant peoples, he had believed he could talk rogues and ideologues out of deeply held beliefs. His predecessor had drawn lines in the sand. He would look past them.
Thus a man who had been uneasy with his middle name (Hussein) during the presidential campaign would descend on Ankara and Cairo, inserting himself in a raging civil war over Islam itself. An Iranian theocratic regime had launched a bid for dominion in its region; Mr. Obama offered it an olive branch and waited for it to "unclench" its fist.
It was an odd, deeply conflicted message from Mr. Obama. He was at once a herald of change yet a practitioner of realpolitik. He would entice the crowds, yet assure the autocrats that the "diplomacy of freedom" that unsettled them during the presidency of George W. Bush is dead and buried. Grant the rulers in Tehran and Damascus their due: They were quick to take the measure of the new steward of American power. He had come to "engage" them. Gone was the hope of transforming these regimes or making them pay for their transgressions. The theocracy was said to be waiting on an American opening, and this new president would put an end to three decades of estrangement between the United States and Iran.
But in truth Iran had never wanted an opening to the U.S. For the length of three decades, the custodians of the theocracy have had precisely the level of enmity toward the U.S. they have wanted -- just enough to be an ideological glue for the regime but not enough to be a threat to their power. Iran's rulers have made their way in the world with relative ease. No White Army gathered to restore the dominion of the Pahlavis. The Cold War and oil bailed them out. So did the false hope that the revolution would mellow and make its peace with the world.
Mr. Obama may believe that his offer to Iran is a break with a hard-line American policy. But nothing could be further from the truth. In 1989, in his inaugural, George H.W. Bush extended an offer to Iran: "Good will begets good will," he said. A decade later, in a typically Clintonian spirit of penance and contrition, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright came forth with a full apology for America's role in the 1953 coup that ousted nationalist Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh.
Iran's rulers scoffed. They had inherited a world, and they were in no need of opening it to outsiders. They were able to fly under the radar. Selective, targeted deeds of terror, and oil income, enabled them to hold their regime intact. There is a Persian pride and a Persian solitude, and the impact of three decades of zeal and indoctrination. The drama of Barack Obama's election was not an affair of Iran. They had an election of their own to stage. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad -- a son of the Ayatollah Khomeini's revolutionary order, a man from the brigades of the regime, austere and indifferent to outsiders, an Iranian Everyman with badly fitting clothes and white socks -- was up for re-election.
The upper orders of his country loathed him and bristled under the system of controls that the mullahs and the military and the revolutionary brigades had put in place, but he had the power and the money and the organs of the state arrayed on his side. There was a discernible fault line in Iran. There were Iranians yearning for liberty, but we should not underestimate the power and the determination of those moved by the yearning for piety. Ahmadinejad's message of populism at home and defiance abroad, his assertion that the country's nuclear quest is a "closed file," settled and beyond discussion, have a resonance on Iranian soil. His challenger, Mir Hossein Mousavi, a generation older, could not compete with him on that terrain.
On the ruins of the ancien régime, the Iranian revolutionaries, it has to be conceded, have built a formidable state. The men who emerged out of a cruel and bloody struggle over their country's identity and spoils are a tenacious, merciless breed. Their capacity for repression is fearsome. We must rein in the modernist conceit that the bloggers, and the force of Twitter and Facebook, could win in the streets against the squads of the regime. That fight would be an Iranian drama, all outsiders mere spectators.
That ambivalence at the heart of the Obama diplomacy about freedom has not served American policy well in this crisis. We had tried to "cheat" -- an opening to the regime with an obligatory wink to those who took to the streets appalled by their rulers' cynicism and utter disregard for their people's intelligence and common sense -- and we were caught at it. Mr. Obama's statement that "the difference between Ahmadinejad and Mousavi in terms of their actual policies may not be as great as had been advertised" put on cruel display the administration's incoherence. For once, there was an acknowledgment by this young president of history's burden: "Either way, we were going to be dealing with an Iranian regime that has historically been hostile to the United States, that has caused some problems in the neighborhood and is pursuing nuclear weapons." No Wilsonianism on offer here.
Mr. Obama will have to acknowledge the "foreignness" of foreign lands. His breezy self-assurance has been put on notice. The Obama administration believed its own rhetoric that the pro-Western March 14 coalition in Lebanon had ridden Mr. Obama's coattails to an electoral victory. (It had given every indication that it expected similar vindication in Iran.)
But the claim about Lebanon was hollow and reflected little understanding of the forces at play in Lebanon's politics. That contest was settled by Lebanese rules, and by the push and pull of Saudi and Syrian and Iranian interests in Lebanon.
Mr. Obama's June 4 speech in Cairo did not reshape the Islamic landscape. I was in Saudi Arabia when Mr. Obama traveled to Riyadh and Cairo. The earth did not move, life went on as usual. There were countless people puzzled by the presumption of the entire exercise, an outsider walking into sacred matters of their faith. In Saudi Arabia, and in the Arabic commentaries of other lands, there was unease that so complicated an ideological and cultural terrain could be approached with such ease and haste.
Days into his presidency, it should be recalled, Mr. Obama had spoken of his desire to restore to America's relation with the Muslim world the respect and mutual interest that had existed 30 or 20 years earlier. It so happened that he was speaking, almost to the day, on the 30th anniversary of the Iranian Revolution -- and that the time span he was referring to, his golden age, covered the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the American standoff with Libya, the fall of Beirut to the forces of terror, and the downing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland. Liberal opinion would have howled had this history been offered by George W. Bush, but Barack Obama was granted a waiver.
Little more than three decades ago, Jimmy Carter, another American president convinced that what had come before him could be annulled and wished away, called on the nation to shed its "inordinate fear of communism," and to put aside its concern with "traditional issues of war and peace" in favor of "new global issues of justice, equity and human rights." We had betrayed our principles in the course of the Cold War, he said, "fought fire with fire, never thinking that fire is quenched with water." The Soviet answer to that brave, new world was the invasion of Afghanistan in December of 1979.
Mr. Carter would try an atonement in the last year of his presidency. He would pose as a born-again hawk. It was too late in the hour for such redemption. It would take another standard-bearer, Ronald Reagan, to see that great struggle to victory.
Iran's ordeal and its ways shattered the Carter presidency. President Obama's Persian tutorial has just begun.
WSJ
I knew this was coming.
Thus a man who had been uneasy with his middle name (Hussein) during the presidential campaign would descend on Ankara and Cairo, inserting himself in a raging civil war over Islam itself. An Iranian theocratic regime had launched a bid for dominion in its region; Mr. Obama offered it an olive branch and waited for it to "unclench" its fist.
It was an odd, deeply conflicted message from Mr. Obama. He was at once a herald of change yet a practitioner of realpolitik. He would entice the crowds, yet assure the autocrats that the "diplomacy of freedom" that unsettled them during the presidency of George W. Bush is dead and buried. Grant the rulers in Tehran and Damascus their due: They were quick to take the measure of the new steward of American power. He had come to "engage" them. Gone was the hope of transforming these regimes or making them pay for their transgressions. The theocracy was said to be waiting on an American opening, and this new president would put an end to three decades of estrangement between the United States and Iran.
But in truth Iran had never wanted an opening to the U.S. For the length of three decades, the custodians of the theocracy have had precisely the level of enmity toward the U.S. they have wanted -- just enough to be an ideological glue for the regime but not enough to be a threat to their power. Iran's rulers have made their way in the world with relative ease. No White Army gathered to restore the dominion of the Pahlavis. The Cold War and oil bailed them out. So did the false hope that the revolution would mellow and make its peace with the world.
Mr. Obama may believe that his offer to Iran is a break with a hard-line American policy. But nothing could be further from the truth. In 1989, in his inaugural, George H.W. Bush extended an offer to Iran: "Good will begets good will," he said. A decade later, in a typically Clintonian spirit of penance and contrition, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright came forth with a full apology for America's role in the 1953 coup that ousted nationalist Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh.
Iran's rulers scoffed. They had inherited a world, and they were in no need of opening it to outsiders. They were able to fly under the radar. Selective, targeted deeds of terror, and oil income, enabled them to hold their regime intact. There is a Persian pride and a Persian solitude, and the impact of three decades of zeal and indoctrination. The drama of Barack Obama's election was not an affair of Iran. They had an election of their own to stage. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad -- a son of the Ayatollah Khomeini's revolutionary order, a man from the brigades of the regime, austere and indifferent to outsiders, an Iranian Everyman with badly fitting clothes and white socks -- was up for re-election.
The upper orders of his country loathed him and bristled under the system of controls that the mullahs and the military and the revolutionary brigades had put in place, but he had the power and the money and the organs of the state arrayed on his side. There was a discernible fault line in Iran. There were Iranians yearning for liberty, but we should not underestimate the power and the determination of those moved by the yearning for piety. Ahmadinejad's message of populism at home and defiance abroad, his assertion that the country's nuclear quest is a "closed file," settled and beyond discussion, have a resonance on Iranian soil. His challenger, Mir Hossein Mousavi, a generation older, could not compete with him on that terrain.
On the ruins of the ancien régime, the Iranian revolutionaries, it has to be conceded, have built a formidable state. The men who emerged out of a cruel and bloody struggle over their country's identity and spoils are a tenacious, merciless breed. Their capacity for repression is fearsome. We must rein in the modernist conceit that the bloggers, and the force of Twitter and Facebook, could win in the streets against the squads of the regime. That fight would be an Iranian drama, all outsiders mere spectators.
That ambivalence at the heart of the Obama diplomacy about freedom has not served American policy well in this crisis. We had tried to "cheat" -- an opening to the regime with an obligatory wink to those who took to the streets appalled by their rulers' cynicism and utter disregard for their people's intelligence and common sense -- and we were caught at it. Mr. Obama's statement that "the difference between Ahmadinejad and Mousavi in terms of their actual policies may not be as great as had been advertised" put on cruel display the administration's incoherence. For once, there was an acknowledgment by this young president of history's burden: "Either way, we were going to be dealing with an Iranian regime that has historically been hostile to the United States, that has caused some problems in the neighborhood and is pursuing nuclear weapons." No Wilsonianism on offer here.
Mr. Obama will have to acknowledge the "foreignness" of foreign lands. His breezy self-assurance has been put on notice. The Obama administration believed its own rhetoric that the pro-Western March 14 coalition in Lebanon had ridden Mr. Obama's coattails to an electoral victory. (It had given every indication that it expected similar vindication in Iran.)
But the claim about Lebanon was hollow and reflected little understanding of the forces at play in Lebanon's politics. That contest was settled by Lebanese rules, and by the push and pull of Saudi and Syrian and Iranian interests in Lebanon.
Mr. Obama's June 4 speech in Cairo did not reshape the Islamic landscape. I was in Saudi Arabia when Mr. Obama traveled to Riyadh and Cairo. The earth did not move, life went on as usual. There were countless people puzzled by the presumption of the entire exercise, an outsider walking into sacred matters of their faith. In Saudi Arabia, and in the Arabic commentaries of other lands, there was unease that so complicated an ideological and cultural terrain could be approached with such ease and haste.
Days into his presidency, it should be recalled, Mr. Obama had spoken of his desire to restore to America's relation with the Muslim world the respect and mutual interest that had existed 30 or 20 years earlier. It so happened that he was speaking, almost to the day, on the 30th anniversary of the Iranian Revolution -- and that the time span he was referring to, his golden age, covered the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the American standoff with Libya, the fall of Beirut to the forces of terror, and the downing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland. Liberal opinion would have howled had this history been offered by George W. Bush, but Barack Obama was granted a waiver.
Little more than three decades ago, Jimmy Carter, another American president convinced that what had come before him could be annulled and wished away, called on the nation to shed its "inordinate fear of communism," and to put aside its concern with "traditional issues of war and peace" in favor of "new global issues of justice, equity and human rights." We had betrayed our principles in the course of the Cold War, he said, "fought fire with fire, never thinking that fire is quenched with water." The Soviet answer to that brave, new world was the invasion of Afghanistan in December of 1979.
Mr. Carter would try an atonement in the last year of his presidency. He would pose as a born-again hawk. It was too late in the hour for such redemption. It would take another standard-bearer, Ronald Reagan, to see that great struggle to victory.
Iran's ordeal and its ways shattered the Carter presidency. President Obama's Persian tutorial has just begun.
WSJ
I knew this was coming.
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The Americans did offer an olive branch to the Iranians but at the same time renewed Economic sanctions for another Year , that was a bit confusing for the iranians to understand . when You give your hand to shake , you dont bash the head of that person at the same time . 30 years of sanctions are hard and can ruin ANY country , but iranians continued to work hard and that only encouraged them to be self sufficient and think of space and arms etc.. Instead of us Arabs still depending on the west for every little thing .
Oh please, buy yourself a clue. The Iranians depend on their Russian and Chinese masters, and they only reason the Russians or Chinese care, is to oppose the US, What sanctions?? can you name them? the Russians sell them everything from supersonic torpedoes, nuclear reactors, and s300 anti aircraft missiles, with radar. What fucking sanctions.
blah, blah, blah. Our baby boom asserted itself in the 1960's. Iran's baby boom is asserting itself now. They do not want the promises of 1979 revolution they want the promises of the Iranian constitution. Nearly every iranian alive is either a baby boomer or has a child who is a baby boomer. It is difficult for a soldier to shoot at his own family. If the uprising drags out then Khamenei can not possibly win.
(not blah for you tom ... blahing the WSJ piece. Std. US journalism that never looks past the ratings)
I read a great article today by an Iranian scholar. I will try to find it. He says that the vast majority of Iranians are too young to remember or care anything about pre 1979 and could care less about O's apology for interference in 1953? It is an ongoing national joke when the regime blames the West for their problems. They say 'Napoleon's Uncle' did it. That has roots in a satirical book in which the Iranian protagonist blamed every untoward event in his life and the country on the West. I think kissing the ass of the regime is a mistake and trying to avoid the inevitable blame game is pointless and counterproductive. Time to live up to the words with action. Call the regime what it is, promise better relations when it is gone. But in the meantime, make life under a threatening, meddling regime as difficult as possible. Cut off the gasoline, now and demonstrate some backbone. O won't even disinvite the regime's representatives to our embassy's Independence Day picnics! That is past funny, it's obscene. 10 days after the regime guns down demonstrators in the street, he is going to welcome them to out Independence Day celebrations?! How spineless and clueless can he be? We can't 'meddle' in the affairs of a military dictatorship that has been killing hundreds of our soldiers and thousands of our allies in Iraq and is murdering its own citizens who are only asking for what we proclaim is their human rights?
That reminds me, can you believe they candled the 4th of July fireworks here. They announced it today. I feel defeated..and more than a little ashamed. How could our community cancel the 4th of July!!! It's like they canceled liberty itself. You would think the people would riot in the streets...
I know I will fly my flag this year, in defiance
The thing is some people are just talk, Obama is acting Will, he is acting in many ways, some overtly some not so. I think you want to hear him say the right things. I do too, but I would rather he acted. I don't think it's right that we oppose him without even having a complete picture of what it is he is doing.
He sent troops into Pakistan, something no other president in modern history has done. I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt, and not attack him from behind. What ever happened to leaving politics at the shore. Or was that rhetoric only a convenience what it's in your favor.
Point to real foreign policy mistakes, or sit down and shut the fuck up. I know I did during Bush, you know how many times I held back and gave the man the benefit of the doubt on policies that I was opposed too. But I always waited to see the end result before going off the deep end. Is it so much to ask that you support your President?
Or at least pretend in front of our enemies.
there are too many nutjobs in Iran. Khamenei gives guns to people who accept his brainwashing and withholds them from others. It takes much more than a simple majority to win. It takes much more than an overwhelming majority. In fact, it is a battle that can not be won with numbers alone. The only way to win is to have enough of the nutjobs refuse to shoot.
Obama is doing a superb job of handling this one. Pay attention to his choice of words. He will use justice and legitimacy a lot. Both of these values are buried deep in Shia Islam. It is like saying freedom and democracy to an american. The dude knows what he is doing. Okay, maybe he doesn't. But one of his advisors does.
rritt01,
By the way, welcome to the blog, and not just because I agree with your last comment.
Will knows better, he's just being dense because he's got his marching orders from HQ. Iran hasn't cornered the market on nutjobs, apparently.
I happen to be 'on the shore' jackass. I get to say anything I damn well please on any subject I damn well please. You get to hint at racism and treason like all good O cultists, since you can't point to any real, tangible effect of O policies or actions. He gave a contradictory speech with something for everyone! Hurray! You can imagine all the good it's done, but can't make a case beyond how you feel and how I should sit down and shut the fuck up?
Timidity on confronting evil, defined as actions limiting the rights of individuals. That is my problem with O foreign policy. Here, there, everywhere. O's policy to 'confront' evil is to engage and persuade. I read history, I know that is a losing proposition. Even the euro's are way ahead of him on that! I have pointed out specifics, you have not. Pointing to inaction and speeches, you got nothing. O gets bitch slapped by Iran and NK, and you proclaim a silent ingenious strategy. He isn't shaping events, he's being run over by them.
First KNOWN use of US troops in Pakistan. But we both know it isn't the first. There were several incidents that were never confirmed. The environment within Pakistan changed, no thanks to O and before he was elected which makes it less undesirable for that being known. And his need to be seen as fulfilling his 'strategy' in Afghan is the reason we are hearing about it, not because it will make troops more effective or safer. Beyond serving His name, what possible purpose is served by leaking the fact that US troops are operating in Pakistan?
Well I might be a jackass, but at least toady I had good company. As soon as I got to work this morning and turned on the radio, Glenn Beck had the answer to the question I posed this morning, the technical term I was looking for. "misdirection", and Rush opened the show with a comment on the subject. They both gave the same warning I did this morning. So I guess I scooped both of them.
On the bright side, I want to welcome Glenn or his staff to the blog..
now to your post,
What do you mean I cant point to any success, the guy on C_SPAN this morning mentioned the Cairo speech as the genesis of the troubles in Iran, we have the full out war on Terror going on in Pakistan, something that started after Mr. 10% came to Washington and got his marching orders, we have the surge in Afghanistan, we have pressure on NATO members to do more, we have Poland voting the pro west government back to power, the same for Lebanon, I already mentioned troops on the ground in Pakistan, something that I just know is directly connected to that governments new commitment tot he war. and that is just off the top of my head.
Now it's your turn:
"Timidity on confronting evil,"
??Where?
I almost forgot, they just test fired that laser plane in the air, and it hit the target..
"what possible purpose is served by leaking the fact that US troops are operating in Pakistan?"
Cover for the Pakies, it may even have been a prerequisite.
OH, some guy on CSPAN agreed with you! That makes you right, of course. It's an absurd argument. He was reaching out to the dictators in Iraq before the election, and held off criticizing them until long after it would have been proper and when public pressure was brought to bear, and then did it without any passion or conviction. He read it monotone off his fucking teleprompter.
You take a speech which declared liberty as a basic human right, and acknowledged thugocracies as equals with our system at the same time. EVERY point the guy makes, he contradicts. He has no basic principle he is willing to admit to out loud (that admission that he sees redistribution of wealth as a government goal was an exception he hasn't repeated). But those who want to can point to every 'positive' event (with absolutely no evidence to back it up other than self held fantasy) as having been the result of his O ness.
You think you are the first to recognize 'misdirection'? That has been a Beck theme for 6 months. Master the obvious. O's entire candidacy was misdirection. His predilection for taking all sides is misdirection. You really think his reaching out to the mullahs, or, as he called the top thug 'The Supreme Leader', is a ploy to bring liberty to their slaves? Don't be ridiculous.
Pakistan is reacting to the overreach of the Taliban, starting with the assassination of Bhutto. NATO has been under pressure since the war began, the pressure may be greater only because it isn't coming from Bush behind whom they all hid. And it still makes no tangible difference.
O gets 'credit' for the Afghan surge-- but will you give him the blame if it fails? I doubt it. I can't see the point, but I'm willing to wait and see on that issue. Besides, that is pretty much in keeping with the Bush plan, just as he has done in Iraq, by the way, but I think the more rational and practical Bush admin realized Afghan is not anywhere close to the same thing as Iraq and isn't 'winnable' beyond maintaining the status quo for the foreseeable future. Do you blame him for the surge in deaths now that US troops are retreating from Iraqi cities?( I don't, by the way--- Iraq can deal with their own at this point, or burn)
He's just struggling to keep up while looking cool doing it and telling everyone he has been 'consistent' all along. If he pissed on your leg and told it was raining, you'd buy an umbrella from him and pay double so you can bask in his 'coolness'.
But the guy on C-SPAN didn't agree with me, he was arguing against, but that is besides the point. They have had to come out an argue against, if it's a fantasy of mine, well I must be projecting, and Beck, it was not his usual, he was making that point about the news conference, about the fact that everyone is so worried about what Obama didn't say about Iran, and was paying no attention to carbon bill passing in the house. He was making the exact same point I was trying to make this morning, coincidence??? I think not.
And you just argued yourself into a hole, " keeping with the Bush plan", so you wanted something more than Bush, or are you saying Bush had the same "Timidity on confronting evil,", which is it?
I know he's a fucking communist, that's why I was warning the GOP, and trying to get them to think. They are acting like sheep walking to the slaughterhouse, happy and fat thinking there is food and shade to be found there.
Besides, Xica da Silva is on
"and acknowledged thugocracies as equals with our system at the same time. EVERY point the guy makes, he contradicts."
So it's just a coincidence that he gets the desired reaction, from you, and from the people, and governments of the ME?
And you say my conspiracies are crazy
O would never 'confront evil' for the sake of human liberty. Not risking his presidency by pulling out of Iraq precipitously is not an act of courage or principled conviction. Same thing in Afghanistan. He used the Demo left line of the 'bush is losing the good war', and now he has to appear to be backing it up. And I haven't really criticized that, I just have doubts it will make a real difference. It's still going to be the same backward pile of rocks 20 years from now.
Bush failed to meet my expectations many times on the subject, but O hasn't even made me believe he even sees oppression as a necessarily bad thing. He's bringing it to a mailbox near you because 'he cares'.
I do not believe the result was premeditated, or that events were really significantly guided by his speech. The man is 'lucky', but smart enough to take advantage of unintended consequences. Cap and tax, health care, ACORN census, fascism, all coming fast and furious, and I know it. But he has a partner in the media, and a scared, confused, hapless population just crossing their fingers, hoping it isn't what it appears to be. Because O is cool, and he cares. And what exactly is in those bills, anyway?
Obama is in Afghanistan, and Iraq for the exact same reason Bush went, to protect the Kingdom. But to tell the truth, I could give a fuck why. All I care about is when and how.
If you think Bush had some altruistic need to spread freedom or democracy, you need a shrink
Luck, or scheme, what's the difference when he's batting a 1000.
What's in those bills? I have no idea, I don't think anyone does, I think people are afraid to look. But can you imagine he says that the Government insurance will create competition? Yea like Amtrak, or the post office, they lose money and the government covers the loss. I am sure private insurance will have no problem competing, and I am sure no business will just dump their employer plans and switch people to the cheaper government plan, no matter what it does or doesn't cover. No that will never happen. But people are too busy trying to call his successes a failure, the public will see the deception and think that critics are just wrong about everything...welcome to the USSA.
I hope for your sake your doing it willingly and are promised a high position in that new country,
I don't know how, but I landed on ABC, they should change the call letters to the CBC - communist broadcasting company.
I have seen porno that's less explicit or indecent
I want to make it easier for you
Stalin if I have ever heard Stalin. Castro wasn't this good.
Be afraid, be very afraid.
And another thing, the blocking of the torture pictures. How smugly the congress is explicitly going to violate the 1st amendment, and we are supposed to cheer?
Talk about misdirection, it's like tying a noose around our own neck and jumping off the table. Our enemies could only hope to do as much harm to us as we will be doing to ourselves, and we cheer, hip hip hurrah, just as our necks snap.
I must have gone insane, those drugs finally caught up with me, I should have myself hospitalized.
Bush's reasons were to protect the nation (and his presidency and the position of the ruling elite here, and elsewhere). Yes, I believe that . He also believed that in an age of internet and proliferation, he had to provoke change in the ME and Islam in general to9 prevent war like we have never witnessed in history. To do that, you had to provide some hope for some liberty among the population, which is relatively young. That will eventually mean in the Kingdom, too. But it had to start somewhere, and Saddam put a big target on Iraq. That is where O and bush differ. O would 'dialogue' and thinks to be fair, ME states should get to oppress in the peoples' best interests--- just as he wants to do here and is succeeding at a pace unprecendented. I believe in liberty still. I believe we should refrain from bowing to the Kings, Dear Leaders, and Mullahs, in the ME and anywhere they exist. For the most part, I could not give a fuck about anyone over the age of 25 in that entire part of the world. The pussyfooting way Bush went about it, I hated--- but at least he did it and saw a possible, viable way to avoid a coming clash. Now, I'm far more concerned about the future of liberty for my kids and their kids here at home. The long, slow slide that has been going on before I was born is quickly becoming a free fall. Point me to someone with the solution, and I'm on board with everything I have. Do you think we are up for Revolution, which would be a principled return to Constitutional Law. I actually heard Barney Frank say tonite that the Constitution puts strict restraints on government. I nearly choked. Of course, he thought many of those restraints we long ago abandoned for the good of the nation in times of crises-- like now........never waste a good crises.
''I should have myself hospitalized.''
They do have the best drugs. Better get them while you can. I expect the government run system will be pushing the Xanax. They are here to help.
I think we are going to end up in adjoining rooms, whacked out on that Xanax, drooling at the mouth.
You really think we'd get individual rooms? I see it more as a vast collective dungeon. If you're right and we get private rooms, I may have to take them up on that.
LoL
Well at least now we know your price. Everyone's got one right.
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