.Clinton, McCain split on Iraq pullout
KANSAS CITY, Mo. - New military tactics in Iraq are working but the best way to honor U.S. soldiers is "by beginning to bring them home," Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton told war veterans Monday.
Clinton, seeking the Democratic nomination for president, praised the work that soldiers have done in Iraq but described the government there as "on vacation," leaving American troops in the middle of a sectarian war.
Later the Veterans of Foreign Wars were told by Sen. John McCain, who is seeking the GOP nomination, that withdrawing from Iraq would be a historic mistake — far worse than previous U.S. missteps in the country.
McCain said he understands that Americans are "sick and tired" of the war, which he said hasn't gone well. Still, he said Gen. David Petraeus and other military leaders deserve patience.
Petraeus, the U.S. commander who will report to Congress on progress in Iraq next month, told the group that in some areas, partnerships between coalition forces and Iraqi soldiers are "quite robust." He also said that Iraqi losses have been three times those suffered by the U.S.-led coalition.
Clinton and McCain spoke to hundreds of members of the VFW, which is holding its annual convention in Kansas City. On Tuesday, Democratic candidate Barack Obama and former GOP Sen. Fred Thompson are to speak. President Bush arrives Wednesday.
The hall where the candidates spoke can seat 6,000 people, and both Clinton and McCain drew about half that for their late-morning speeches. The crowd was mostly friendly to Clinton and offered polite applause throughout her speech. McCain, a former Vietnam War prisoner of war, received a warmer reception — and louder applause during his remarks.
Clinton said she wanted to restore America's image abroad.
"People have to root for America," she said. "They have to want to be on our side."
In Iraq, she said, the government must take responsibility for itself and its people.
"I do not think the Iraqis are ready to do what they have to do for themselves yet," she said. "I think it is unacceptable for our troops to be caught in the crossfire of a sectarian civil war while the Iraqi government is on vacation."
Clinton said new tactics have brought some success against insurgents, particularly in Iraq's Anbar province.
"It's working. We're just years too late in changing our tactics," she said. "We can't ever let that happen again. We can't be fighting the last war. We have to keep preparing to fight the new war."
McCain said that pulling out of Iraq would empower al-Qaida and Iran and unleash a "full-scale civil war" in Iraq.
He drew applause when he said, "As long as we have a chance to succeed, we must try to succeed."
Later, he said, "We're starting to succeed, and I think we're seeing some shift in public opinion."
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Well I don't know where she gets off making such statements when I have not been able to make a concrete determination as of yet. Unless she has access to information that I do not, I think it's premature to make such wild ass statements.
No doubt that what we are doing today is lightyear ahead of what we did for the last four years, but to conclude a success at this time without giving any consideration to what the enemy is doing is foolish. Give it time, they will fight back, and from what I am hearing, they are going to hit hard. They have the advantage of time and space. You can be sure the enemy will use every advantage they can find.
Beware of good new and just keep you head up and your ass down, till your buckled into your ride home.
Clinton, seeking the Democratic nomination for president, praised the work that soldiers have done in Iraq but described the government there as "on vacation," leaving American troops in the middle of a sectarian war.
Later the Veterans of Foreign Wars were told by Sen. John McCain, who is seeking the GOP nomination, that withdrawing from Iraq would be a historic mistake — far worse than previous U.S. missteps in the country.
McCain said he understands that Americans are "sick and tired" of the war, which he said hasn't gone well. Still, he said Gen. David Petraeus and other military leaders deserve patience.
Petraeus, the U.S. commander who will report to Congress on progress in Iraq next month, told the group that in some areas, partnerships between coalition forces and Iraqi soldiers are "quite robust." He also said that Iraqi losses have been three times those suffered by the U.S.-led coalition.
Clinton and McCain spoke to hundreds of members of the VFW, which is holding its annual convention in Kansas City. On Tuesday, Democratic candidate Barack Obama and former GOP Sen. Fred Thompson are to speak. President Bush arrives Wednesday.
The hall where the candidates spoke can seat 6,000 people, and both Clinton and McCain drew about half that for their late-morning speeches. The crowd was mostly friendly to Clinton and offered polite applause throughout her speech. McCain, a former Vietnam War prisoner of war, received a warmer reception — and louder applause during his remarks.
Clinton said she wanted to restore America's image abroad.
"People have to root for America," she said. "They have to want to be on our side."
In Iraq, she said, the government must take responsibility for itself and its people.
"I do not think the Iraqis are ready to do what they have to do for themselves yet," she said. "I think it is unacceptable for our troops to be caught in the crossfire of a sectarian civil war while the Iraqi government is on vacation."
Clinton said new tactics have brought some success against insurgents, particularly in Iraq's Anbar province.
"It's working. We're just years too late in changing our tactics," she said. "We can't ever let that happen again. We can't be fighting the last war. We have to keep preparing to fight the new war."
McCain said that pulling out of Iraq would empower al-Qaida and Iran and unleash a "full-scale civil war" in Iraq.
He drew applause when he said, "As long as we have a chance to succeed, we must try to succeed."
Later, he said, "We're starting to succeed, and I think we're seeing some shift in public opinion."
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Well I don't know where she gets off making such statements when I have not been able to make a concrete determination as of yet. Unless she has access to information that I do not, I think it's premature to make such wild ass statements.
No doubt that what we are doing today is lightyear ahead of what we did for the last four years, but to conclude a success at this time without giving any consideration to what the enemy is doing is foolish. Give it time, they will fight back, and from what I am hearing, they are going to hit hard. They have the advantage of time and space. You can be sure the enemy will use every advantage they can find.
Beware of good new and just keep you head up and your ass down, till your buckled into your ride home.
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