.Drudge is reporting:
ALLEN'S REVENGE: EXPOSES UNDERAGE SEX SCENES IN OPPONENT'S NOVELS:
'The man grabbed his young son in his arms, turned him upside down, and put the boy's penis in his mouth'... James Webb
It's a novel,And who know the context, this might be the bad guy in the movie. It might be a fictional autobiography, it could be a million things. How are you supposed to tell from just a few lines. What ever happen to free speech. I sure hope the Dems don't let them get away with this shit with out putting up a fight. This is just going to far. And I thought the story with the Hutchie girl was low, but this is the lowest I have seen.
Damn the right is going down low. I wonder if they will ever recover from this experience.
The press release, as provided by the Allen Campaign:
WEBB’S WEIRD WORLD
The Author’s Disturbing Writings Show a Continued Pattern of Demeaning Women
· Some of Webb’s writings are very disturbing for a candidate hoping to represent the families of Virginians in the U.S. Senate.
· Many excellent books about the United States military and wartime service accomplish their purposes, and even win awards, without systematically demeaning women, and without dehumanizing women, men and even children.
· Webb’s novels disturbingly and consistently – indeed, almost uniformly – portray women as servile, subordinate, inept, incompetent, promiscuous, perverted, or some combination of these. In novel after novel, Webb assigns his female characters base, negative characteristics. In thousands of pages of fiction penned by Webb, there are few if any strong, admirable women or positive female role models.
Why does Jim Webb refuse to portray women in a respectful, positive light, whether in his non-fiction concerning their role in the military, or in his provocative novels? How can women trust him to represent their views in the Senate when chauvinistic attitudes and sexually exploitive references run throughout his fiction and non-fiction writings?
· Most Virginians and Americans would find passages such as those below shocking, especially coming from the pen of someone who seeks the privilege of serving in the United States Senate, one of the highest offices in the land:
– Lost Soldiers: “A shirtless man walked toward them along a mud pathway. His muscles were young and hard, but his face was devastated with wrinkles. His eyes were so red that they appeared to be burned by fire. A naked boy ran happily toward him from a little plot of dirt. The man grabbed his young son in his arms, turned him upside down, and put the boy’s penis in his mouth.”
Ø Bantam Books, NY, 1st Edition, 2001, (hard cover), page 333.
Ø Quote is from para. 10,.Chap. 34.
– Something to Die For: "Fogarty . . . watch[ed] a naked young stripper do the splits over a banana. She stood back up, her face smiling proudly and her round breasts glistening from a spotlight in the dim bar, and left the banana on the bar, cut in four equal sections by the muscles of her vagina."
Ø William Morrow and Company, Inc., NY 1991, 1st Ed. (hardcover), p. 36.
Ø Avon Books, New York, 1992 (Mass-Market paperback edition), p. 35
Ø Quote is from para. 29, Chap. 2 “The South China Sea,”, Section 2
– A Country Such as This: "[He] could see Jawbone and Ashley Asthmatic [two guards at a Vietnamese prison camp] napping together in the grass. They faced inward, their arms entwined. It looked like they were masturbating each other. It didn't surprise him. … It was common to see men holding hands, embracing, playing with each other. Some of them [the guards] had wanted him. He could tell in those evanescent moments between his bao cao bow, the obligatory deference when a guard entered his cell, and the first word or blow that followed it… Quick, grinding voices, turgid with repressed passion. An exploratory reaching of the hand near his groin…”
Ø Doubleday & Co., Garden City, NY, 1983 (hardcover); page 396.
Ø Bluejacket Books, 2001 (Trade paperback edition), page 396
Ø Page numbers are the same in the Naval Institute Press (paperback) edition, 1983.
Ø Quote is from fifth para, Part 5 “A Country Such As This,” Chap. 24, Section 1
– A Sense of Honor: “Nurse Goodbody, dark and voluptuous (Lenahan had forgotten her actual name, it was something long and Italian), was a bedtime friend to many of the doctors in Bethesda. She had hinted to Lenahan that she simply could not contain herself. Doctors tending to patients, she explained, aroused her. Morphine Mary (again Lenahan could not remember her exact name) was a thin, nervous drill sergeant type, a disciplinarian who did not allow her patients even to complain. Lenahan was convinced that Morphine Mary did not even sleep with her husband. She wasn’t bad looking, he mused again, staring at her thin frame. If she’d just get laid every now and then she’d mellow out and stop being such a damn witch.” (p. 164) (Lenahan brings Goodbody home with him and has sex, pp. 188-190)
Ø Prentice-Hall, New York, 1981 (hardcover)
Ø Bantam, New York, 1982 (Mass-Market paperback edition), p. 164
Ø Trade paperback edition, Bluejacket Books, 1995, p. 164
Ø Quote is from fourth para in Part 3, “Chapter 4:1600”
– Something to Die For: "[Fogarty] has been thinking of the firm, springy skin and the sweet smells of a young Filipina woman named Maria in whose bed he had spent three nights almost twenty years ago. . . . She was a deliciously bad young woman. . . . On the second night, he had brought her a box of Godiva chocolates . . . . he had awakened to find her in the bathroom, sitting on the toilet with her knees underneath her chin, eating chocolates and counting her rosary beads as she prayed."
Ø William Morrow and Company, Inc., NY 1991, 1st Ed. (hardcover), p. 32.
Ø Avon Books New York, 1992 (Mass-Market paperback edition), p. 30
Ø Quote is from third para in Chapter 2 “South China Sea,”, Part 2
– Something to Die For: "We're on our way to becoming the world's recreational center, a nation [USA] not to be taken seriously. Where are we still the undisputed leader? Music. Movies. Fast food. Drugs. . . . the billboards fifty years from now as you come over the bridge and stop at the tollbooths outside Manhattan: A smiling beautiful naked woman, and the sign saying AMERICAN ASS IS OUR MOST IMPORTANT PRODUCT."
Ø William Morrow and Company, Inc., NY 1991, 1st Ed. (hardcover), p. 199.
Ø Avon Books New York, 1992 (Mass-Market paperback edition), p. 237
Ø Quote is from para. 38, Chap. 13, Part 1, (five paras before Part 2).
– Fields of Fire: Snake (the protagonist) sees his mother on the bed: "She looked as if she were carefully attempting to re-create a picture from some long-forgotten men's magazine . . . . She was naked underneath the robe . . . . and the robe fell loosely away, revealing her. Snake shrugged resignedly."
Prentice-Hall, New York, 1978 (Hardcover, 1st edition), p. 8
Bantam Books "mass market [paperback] edition" published in Sept. 2001. p. 9.
Quote is from paragraphs 18-23, Part 1 “The Best We Have”, Section 1
(NOTE: Part 1 is after the Prologue)
– Fields of Fire: "He saw the invitation with every bouncing breast and curved hip. . . . He was thirteen. . . . She was fifteen . . . . In a few moments she drew him to her and he murmured in his quiet voice, 'I am still small.' 'You are large enough,' she answered. And he found he was."
Prentice-Hall, New York, 1978 (Hardcover, 1st edition), pp. 211-212
Bantam Books "mass market [paperback] ed." published in Sept. 2001, pp. 280-81.
Quote is from paragraphs 8-20, Part 2 “The End of the Pipeline,” Chapter 24
– A Sense of Honor: “… that is, if you knew who your sister was, Brustein, and if she’d been born with anything between her legs except an asshole, I’d be happy to bring some class to your low-rent name by knocking the bitch up.” (p. 223)
Prentice-Hall, New York, 1981 (hardcover)
Bantam, New York, 1982 (Mass-Market paperback edition), p. 223
Trade paperback edition, Bluejacket Books, 1995, p. 223
Quote is from 17th para in Part 4, “Chapter 7:1930”
– A Sense of Honor: “You wouldn’t have believed it, Swede. She just dropped her britches and lifted up her skirt and pissed like a man. Didn’t lose a drop, either. Not a drop.” (p. 183)
Prentice-Hall, New York, 1981 (hardcover)
Bantam, New York, 1982 (Mass-Market paperback edition), p. 183
Trade paperback edition, Bluejacket Books, 1995, p. 183
Quote is from 23rd para in Part 3, “Chapter 8: 2300”
'The man grabbed his young son in his arms, turned him upside down, and put the boy's penis in his mouth'... James Webb
It's a novel,And who know the context, this might be the bad guy in the movie. It might be a fictional autobiography, it could be a million things. How are you supposed to tell from just a few lines. What ever happen to free speech. I sure hope the Dems don't let them get away with this shit with out putting up a fight. This is just going to far. And I thought the story with the Hutchie girl was low, but this is the lowest I have seen.
Damn the right is going down low. I wonder if they will ever recover from this experience.
The press release, as provided by the Allen Campaign:
WEBB’S WEIRD WORLD
The Author’s Disturbing Writings Show a Continued Pattern of Demeaning Women
· Some of Webb’s writings are very disturbing for a candidate hoping to represent the families of Virginians in the U.S. Senate.
· Many excellent books about the United States military and wartime service accomplish their purposes, and even win awards, without systematically demeaning women, and without dehumanizing women, men and even children.
· Webb’s novels disturbingly and consistently – indeed, almost uniformly – portray women as servile, subordinate, inept, incompetent, promiscuous, perverted, or some combination of these. In novel after novel, Webb assigns his female characters base, negative characteristics. In thousands of pages of fiction penned by Webb, there are few if any strong, admirable women or positive female role models.
Why does Jim Webb refuse to portray women in a respectful, positive light, whether in his non-fiction concerning their role in the military, or in his provocative novels? How can women trust him to represent their views in the Senate when chauvinistic attitudes and sexually exploitive references run throughout his fiction and non-fiction writings?
· Most Virginians and Americans would find passages such as those below shocking, especially coming from the pen of someone who seeks the privilege of serving in the United States Senate, one of the highest offices in the land:
– Lost Soldiers: “A shirtless man walked toward them along a mud pathway. His muscles were young and hard, but his face was devastated with wrinkles. His eyes were so red that they appeared to be burned by fire. A naked boy ran happily toward him from a little plot of dirt. The man grabbed his young son in his arms, turned him upside down, and put the boy’s penis in his mouth.”
Ø Bantam Books, NY, 1st Edition, 2001, (hard cover), page 333.
Ø Quote is from para. 10,.Chap. 34.
– Something to Die For: "Fogarty . . . watch[ed] a naked young stripper do the splits over a banana. She stood back up, her face smiling proudly and her round breasts glistening from a spotlight in the dim bar, and left the banana on the bar, cut in four equal sections by the muscles of her vagina."
Ø William Morrow and Company, Inc., NY 1991, 1st Ed. (hardcover), p. 36.
Ø Avon Books, New York, 1992 (Mass-Market paperback edition), p. 35
Ø Quote is from para. 29, Chap. 2 “The South China Sea,”, Section 2
– A Country Such as This: "[He] could see Jawbone and Ashley Asthmatic [two guards at a Vietnamese prison camp] napping together in the grass. They faced inward, their arms entwined. It looked like they were masturbating each other. It didn't surprise him. … It was common to see men holding hands, embracing, playing with each other. Some of them [the guards] had wanted him. He could tell in those evanescent moments between his bao cao bow, the obligatory deference when a guard entered his cell, and the first word or blow that followed it… Quick, grinding voices, turgid with repressed passion. An exploratory reaching of the hand near his groin…”
Ø Doubleday & Co., Garden City, NY, 1983 (hardcover); page 396.
Ø Bluejacket Books, 2001 (Trade paperback edition), page 396
Ø Page numbers are the same in the Naval Institute Press (paperback) edition, 1983.
Ø Quote is from fifth para, Part 5 “A Country Such As This,” Chap. 24, Section 1
– A Sense of Honor: “Nurse Goodbody, dark and voluptuous (Lenahan had forgotten her actual name, it was something long and Italian), was a bedtime friend to many of the doctors in Bethesda. She had hinted to Lenahan that she simply could not contain herself. Doctors tending to patients, she explained, aroused her. Morphine Mary (again Lenahan could not remember her exact name) was a thin, nervous drill sergeant type, a disciplinarian who did not allow her patients even to complain. Lenahan was convinced that Morphine Mary did not even sleep with her husband. She wasn’t bad looking, he mused again, staring at her thin frame. If she’d just get laid every now and then she’d mellow out and stop being such a damn witch.” (p. 164) (Lenahan brings Goodbody home with him and has sex, pp. 188-190)
Ø Prentice-Hall, New York, 1981 (hardcover)
Ø Bantam, New York, 1982 (Mass-Market paperback edition), p. 164
Ø Trade paperback edition, Bluejacket Books, 1995, p. 164
Ø Quote is from fourth para in Part 3, “Chapter 4:1600”
– Something to Die For: "[Fogarty] has been thinking of the firm, springy skin and the sweet smells of a young Filipina woman named Maria in whose bed he had spent three nights almost twenty years ago. . . . She was a deliciously bad young woman. . . . On the second night, he had brought her a box of Godiva chocolates . . . . he had awakened to find her in the bathroom, sitting on the toilet with her knees underneath her chin, eating chocolates and counting her rosary beads as she prayed."
Ø William Morrow and Company, Inc., NY 1991, 1st Ed. (hardcover), p. 32.
Ø Avon Books New York, 1992 (Mass-Market paperback edition), p. 30
Ø Quote is from third para in Chapter 2 “South China Sea,”, Part 2
– Something to Die For: "We're on our way to becoming the world's recreational center, a nation [USA] not to be taken seriously. Where are we still the undisputed leader? Music. Movies. Fast food. Drugs. . . . the billboards fifty years from now as you come over the bridge and stop at the tollbooths outside Manhattan: A smiling beautiful naked woman, and the sign saying AMERICAN ASS IS OUR MOST IMPORTANT PRODUCT."
Ø William Morrow and Company, Inc., NY 1991, 1st Ed. (hardcover), p. 199.
Ø Avon Books New York, 1992 (Mass-Market paperback edition), p. 237
Ø Quote is from para. 38, Chap. 13, Part 1, (five paras before Part 2).
– Fields of Fire: Snake (the protagonist) sees his mother on the bed: "She looked as if she were carefully attempting to re-create a picture from some long-forgotten men's magazine . . . . She was naked underneath the robe . . . . and the robe fell loosely away, revealing her. Snake shrugged resignedly."
Prentice-Hall, New York, 1978 (Hardcover, 1st edition), p. 8
Bantam Books "mass market [paperback] edition" published in Sept. 2001. p. 9.
Quote is from paragraphs 18-23, Part 1 “The Best We Have”, Section 1
(NOTE: Part 1 is after the Prologue)
– Fields of Fire: "He saw the invitation with every bouncing breast and curved hip. . . . He was thirteen. . . . She was fifteen . . . . In a few moments she drew him to her and he murmured in his quiet voice, 'I am still small.' 'You are large enough,' she answered. And he found he was."
Prentice-Hall, New York, 1978 (Hardcover, 1st edition), pp. 211-212
Bantam Books "mass market [paperback] ed." published in Sept. 2001, pp. 280-81.
Quote is from paragraphs 8-20, Part 2 “The End of the Pipeline,” Chapter 24
– A Sense of Honor: “… that is, if you knew who your sister was, Brustein, and if she’d been born with anything between her legs except an asshole, I’d be happy to bring some class to your low-rent name by knocking the bitch up.” (p. 223)
Prentice-Hall, New York, 1981 (hardcover)
Bantam, New York, 1982 (Mass-Market paperback edition), p. 223
Trade paperback edition, Bluejacket Books, 1995, p. 223
Quote is from 17th para in Part 4, “Chapter 7:1930”
– A Sense of Honor: “You wouldn’t have believed it, Swede. She just dropped her britches and lifted up her skirt and pissed like a man. Didn’t lose a drop, either. Not a drop.” (p. 183)
Prentice-Hall, New York, 1981 (hardcover)
Bantam, New York, 1982 (Mass-Market paperback edition), p. 183
Trade paperback edition, Bluejacket Books, 1995, p. 183
Quote is from 23rd para in Part 3, “Chapter 8: 2300”
posted by madtom at 7:16 PM
18 Comments:
I was sort of waiting for you to come wit that. I have to it's hard for me to make the connection between Foley and this guys novel. You never read a sexy novel? I have more to post wait till you see it all, blogger has been down, I'll try again.
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What things about women? Cutting a banana in four with here pussy?
It's sort of stupid, nothing I have ever seen before, bit it's just fiction..fiction there is no harm, no actual pussies were hurt in the publishing of this material
No, I was referring to his statements that the only women who would want to attend military academys were horny, etc.
Never heard anything like that, provide more details or links so I can react, but I hate to tell you that's a very right wing sentiment. According to my mother, the only women that join the military are dikes and whores.
She's 75 and a Jehovah's Witness
no pussies were hurt in foley's case, either.
Only boy pussies I guess. Just to make the point about real people versus fiction.
I think that is really going beyond the range and scope of this blog, or the conversation. So as soon as you read it I'm going to delete it.
Ok I think I did hear something now that you said more, they were old comments, from way back when right.
I still don't see the connection to a novel, a fictional book that is meant to be eye catching to sell lots of copies.
I'm telling you this story is going nowhere, it's a dead end, people are not going to react to this like they did with Foley.
but you know it is phony.
Who knows.... there is much more there than has come out. This guy has been fighting demons from his choir boy days. Did you hear that priest, what a scum bag, and now it turns out that he worked at a church local to where I grew up. all my friends went to that church, and many went to the school. Now some guy came out and said he was molested at that church way back then.. right down the street were I grew up.....
Don't you just love this without the work thingy, I hated that thing. If I can handle the spam, I won't bring it back unless I'm going to be away or something. But now that there are two of us, even that might not be necessary
word thingy
So, my choices this election are a smut peddler and Macaca boy? That's great. Sadly, no Libertarians are running or I'd have someone with integrity to vote for.
BTW... Virginia is for lovers, not perverts and racists. ;-)
PS - I can't moderate comments, so don't go on vacation. ;-)
What do you mean, don't you get that little trash can icon when you read the comments?
By the way, your in Virginal right?
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Yeah, I'm in Virginia. I have a hard time voting Democrat to avoid a Republican in office. The reason is that both parties are tied to corporate power rather than advocating for the people and upholding the Constitution. I normally vote for any Libertarians that run and leave the rest blank.
People often say, "So, you're just going to throw your vote away?" I don't think of it like that though. I think that either way, Democrat or Republican, the people have lost. I think the people need to continue losing until they come to the realization that I'm not the one who is throwing my vote away. Eventually, everyone will realize that libertarian values are what birthed the nation and they will save the nation. Either that or the US will go broke and fall from pandering to corporations and the welfare crowd and then we can rebuild the country based on our original libertarian values. It's just a matter of time.
With regards to moderating, I guess I do have access. I didn't realize that. I don't get the icons for administrators, but lately they haven't been showing up on my other blog either. I think it's the browser though, because I've been having some issues with it lately.
He's a freak because he puts his fantasies into books? that's were fantasia belong in books. that's what books are for. Talk about Hypocrisies. You write your wildest fantasies in a book not in e-mails to your fellow co-workers, that is the definition of a freak. And you think it's news that the police were called to a drunk congressman and there is not report!!!! which planet are you currently on, Neptune, I could have been surprised if the police had written a report of a drunk congressman trying to break into the male dorm, that would have been news, breaking news, cops do their job for once.
I did not say Sheehan was above criticism, but criticize something useful. Who care what she looks up on the internet. She has an opinion on the war, It's not an opinion I agree with, but how does that give me the right to go snooping through her internet usage. How did they get all that information anyway, Patriot act anyone? What public official sold out and got a copy of her internet traffic. That is her privacy that has been violated. It's not even illegal for gods sake, and has nothing to do with her opinions. She has a right to her opinions, and on top of that her son dies in this war, which give her every right in the world to stand up and say what she wants. I may not agree, as a matter of fact I don't but that does not give me the right to shut her up. She can say whatever she wants, and I can change the channel.
You keep harping back to the gay thing. Gay this gay that, get over it, it had nothing to do with being gay, it had everything to do with being a predator. Foley should have written a few books, maybe he should have just come out of the closet, or maybe he could have come forward long before that freak of a priest moved to my town and molested more children. That would have showed his quality and proved he had values worth the paper they were written on.
"So, you're just going to throw your vote away?"
Voting you conscience is never throwing a vote away. I am going to write in Mickey Mouse because My congressman is running unopposed
Your being dense, Foley is the one who pretended to having character, the one who took a position defending children from internet predators, he's the one acting out his fantasies behind closed doors and putting on a different face in public.
Foley did enact legislation to protect children from internet predators
And then presided to violate the very meaning of those very laws. What good are those laws if they did not protect anyone from the people that wrote them.
You would think if he's soooo worried about the safety of children he would have gone after the abusers he knew personally. People that he knew without a shadow of a doubt had and most probably were abusing children. But I guess as long as the priest had moved out of an up scale white church and down to a working class Cuban immigrant church, why bother! They probably won't care or know the difference anyway. And with all that personal history I wonder if any of his laws address issues of abuse by clergy, I wonder if they address abuse by people in powerful positions, or if they offer protection to the abused to come forward, I wonder about that kid that came out not long ago who was being abused online for years and when he came to the FBI found out that he could be accused of selling child pornography for turning in those that abused and made profit from his destruction. Are those the same laws that Foley wrote, where the abused are guilty till proven innocent?
Will - "Webb is toast--- he probably was anyway, but this will seal his fate."
Webb isn't even close to being toast. Allen and Webb are polling even. When Gail Parker withdraws, the greens will throw their support to Webb over Allen.
I've spoken to a number of people that I knew were going to vote Webb and none of them seemed bothered that Webb had written some off-color passages into his books.
Virginia is a ruby red state, so it's fairly impressive that Webb is polling so well. I don't think his writings are going to hurt him any.
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